Ciao a tutti Stavo cercando delle informazioni su un argomento che mi interessa molto, ovvero di soldati giapponesi addestrati o che hanno combattuto in Germania. Guardando un po su History Channel ho saputo di sottomarini Giapponesi a Kiel :humm: e di truppe paracuditiste giapponesi addestrate in Germania (usate poi nell'invasione indie olandesi) Voi sapete se ci sono altri casi simili? Vi sono state unita giapponesi che hanno operato in Germania? oppure di tedesche nell'impero nipponico? Ciau
di sicuro dei volontari giapponesi parteciparono alla disperata difesa di berlino inquadrati nell'heersgruppe Weischel di Heinrici... purtroppo tutto ciò che ho trovato sono un paio di foto...
Per le unità tedesche, molti sottomarini, unità di superficie (specialmente violatori di blocco) avevano per destinazione sumatra e singaporte. Anche alcune unità italiane operarono dal giappone. Un paio di navi di navi riuscirono addirittura a rientrare dal giappone fino a Betasom (Bordeaux) con carichi di materie prime rare. Nel 1943 poco prima dell'armistizio i sommergibili oceanici italiani rimasti a Bordeaux furono trasformati in sommergibili da trasporto per fare traversate intercontinenatali fino in Giappone per portare progetti e prototipi di radar, aerei ai giapponesi e riportare materia prime come caucciù, stagno, gomma etc.... I Ki-61 Hien (Tony) dell'aviazione dell'esercito giapponese, infatti montavano i DB-601 usati sul BF-109 tedesco. Un sommergibile Jap l' I-30 trasportò un esemplare di serie del Wuerzburg radar tedesco in Giappone. L'Ohka, un aereo a razzo giapponese era un Me-163 Komet modificato etc.... Alcune unità militari italiane raggiunsero il giappone dopo la caduta dell'AOI, la nave coloniale Eritrea e gli incrociatori ausiliari RAMB. Un sommergibile italiano (il cappellini mi sembra), ad esempio combattè con equipaggio italiano in giappone fino al 1943, dopo l'8 settembre combattè con un equipaggio misto italo-tedesco, visto che si schierarono con la RSI, dopo la caduta della germania, il sommergibile passò in mano ai Jap. Penso sia l'unica unità navale della WWII a combattere con 4 marine differenti nella stessa guerra. Regia Marina, Marina Repubblicana, Kriegsmarine e IJN. Per il discorso al contrario, giapponesi in europa, ricordo che una nave Jap, portò rifornimenti in AOI, e che qualche unità era in germania, ma non sò ne il tipo ne la consistenza. Ci fù una missione giapponese in germania nel 1940. ciao
forse come questi 4...................... ......a Utah un tenente del 506° rgt. della 101a divisione aviotrasportata catturò quattro coreani che pare "fossero stati arruolati nell'esercito giapponese nel 1938, catturati dall'Armata Rossa nei combattimenti di confine con il Giappone nel 1939, costretti a entrare nell'Armata Rossa, catturati dalla Wehrmacht nel dicembre 1941 alle porte di Mosca, costretti a entrare nell'esercito e mandati in Francia." Di quelle foto hai un commento una didascalia? Perchè da quanto ne sò nelle OSTtruppen furono arruolati molti mongoli, kazacky, turkmeni etc... prigionieri russi catturati, che hanno sembianze orientali e che furono riarruolati nei "volontari". ciao
come no!! basta chiedere. http://www.regiamarina.it/rsanzio.htm qui c'è la storia di Raffaello Sanzio, marinaio sul cappellini. in più: Molti mercantili allo scoppio della guerra rimasero bloccati in porti di nazioni "amiche" come accadde ai marinai tedeschi dell'Himalaya bloccati a Massaua in Eritrea che formarono una compagnia di volontari tedeschi che combattè a fianco degli italiani in AOI, in particolare mi sembra ad Agordat e Keren. Forse la stessa cosa è successa con marinai italiani/tedeschi in giappone e viceversa.
ultimissima cosa che ho trovato sul mio Hard Disk. Mi ero salvato questo articolo non ricordo da dove però Raid italiano Europa - Giappone [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Monaco]The Italian High Command, Comando Supremo, suspected that the Allies had broken their international radio codes, and, as radio was the most vital means to communicate with their Axis partner of the Pacific; the Italians had to deliver new diplomatic code books to the Japanese to secure communications again. This was the motivation behind a tremendous wartime long-range flight, largely unsung in post-war histories. The possibility to effect a stable air-link from Rome to Tokyo had been envisaged by the Regia Aeronautica since late 1941 and by 29 January 1942 a written report was presented to the Air-staff to determine the feasibility of this using three different routes with the new Fiat G.12 GAs (Grande Autonomia = Long Range). However, for the first experimental flight a Savoia Marchetti S.75 GA with Alfa Romeo 128 RC.18 engines was chosen. The first S.75 GA (serial numbered RT MM.60537) was delivered on 17 March 1942, but it was decided to use it for a “symbolic" mission which consisted of dropping leaflets over Asmara, in the former Italian East African colonies. This mission took place on 7 May 1942 starting from Guidonia (Rome) and, after a refuelling stop at Benghazi, the aircraft took off on 8 May at 17.30 hrs, to drop its leaflets over Asmara at 03.00 on 9 May and then landing safely back at Roma-Ciampino on 21.30 hrs on the 9th. The flight had lasted 28 hours without any problem, confirming the feasibility of the flights to Japan. Dr. Publio Magini was the navigator and co-pilot of that flight. At the time, Dr. Magini was considered one of Italy's best pilots and was an expert in instrument flying. He had developed a celestial navigation system he called the ‘Star Altitude Curves’. Unfortunately, the MM.60537 was badly damaged in an emergency landing only two days later. After their return to Guidonia, the crew of MM. 60537 were ordered to fly to Ciampino Airfield, a mere 12 miles away. Shortly after takeoff, all three engines quit and the aircraft had crash-landed. The pilot Captain Paradisi, and Dr. Magini escaped from the wreck before the fuel ignited and the plane blew up. Paradisi lost a leg in the mishap and Dr. Magini suffered a serious leg injury that grounded him for a month. On 12 May the Savoia Marchetti was ordered to speed up the production of the second S.75 GA (MM.60539), as it was unofficially named like the former; "S.75 RT" (Roma-Tokyo), and on 24 May a third S.75 RT (MM.60543) was ordered to be built. Due to several political and military problems, the flight was delayed and the load originally foreseen was steadily reduced until the aircraft had to leave with no load on board. The shear challenge and propaganda prestige (from the Italian perspective) now drove the continuation of the project. At last, on 05.26hrs on 29 June 1942, the S.75 RT MM.60539 took off from Guidonia with the following crew: Ten.Col. Antonio Moscatelli, Cap. Mario Curto, Cap. Dr. Publio Magini (all pilots), S.Ten. Ernesto Mazzotti (radio-navigator), M.llo Ernesto Leone (Engineer). At 14.10 hrs the S.75 landed at Saporoshje, where the CSIR (Italian Expeditionary Corps in Russia) had established a refuelling and radio base. It was an uneventful trip to Saporoshje, where Dr. Magini and his fellow crewmembers decided not to risk starting the second leg of the trip in the afternoon in the hopes of avoiding interception. As a result, they spent the night at the airfield and took off on the following evening 20.06 hrs on 30 June. Because of the load of fuel they carried, their aircraft could not get above 2500 feet and their airspeed was dangerously slow, making them a very vulnerable target. Pushing the aircraft threatened to overheat the engines and the crew watched anxiously as the temperature crept higher on the gauges. It should be noted that Saporoshje was very near Rostov, where fierce fighting for control of the city was taking place. Soviet searchlights were everywhere, illuminating the night sky as the aircraft crossed the front. Almost immediately, they were spotted and beams of light fastened onto the aircraft. Streams of broken fire, Soviet anti-aircraft shells, rose up to greet their aircraft which must have appeared to be a slow easy target. Luckily for the crew, the Soviets scored no hits on the slow and low-flying aircraft. Dr. Magini and his crewmates endured the enemy's AA fire for the next 100 miles of their trip - Dr. Magini understates it in his journal - "It was not at all pleasant." Eventually, the shooting stopped and the aircraft was all alone in the dark night. Their route took them north of the Caspian Sea, then the Aral Sea, and Lake Balkhash. As morning approached, they had reached the Altai mountain range which separates the USSR from China. Flying low in a long valley, they finally found themselves over the Gobi desert. For hours, they flew over the vast uninhabited sand and wasteland that is the Gobi. This is where Dr. Magini’s ‘Star Altitude Curves’ celestial navigation was vital, as the they had no aviation-coded maps of the Gobi desert. Dr. Magini was of the opinion that they could have made it all the way to Japan but as they neared Japanese held territory, the Japanese had insisted that they land at Pao-Tow-Chen, located west of Peking, near the Yellow River. This was necessitated by the Japanese security measures imposed over Japanese airspace after the Doolittle Raid two months earlier. Fighters patrolled the home islands day and night, ready to shoot down any planes without the Japanese insignia on the wings. The Italians had actually flown past Pao-Tow-Chen and were forced to turn back. As they did this, they found themselves in a torrential rainstorm and had difficulty finding their own position and finding the town. The storm let up long enough for Dr. Magini to determine the former and they were nearly gliding below the cloud cover when they encountered the latter. At 17.20 hrs on 1 July 1942, after a flight of 6,000 Km in 21hours and 14 minutes, the S.75 RT landed safely at Pao-Tow-Chen airfield in China. Japanese soldiers immediately took up stations around the aircraft as the crew got out. Japanese authorities and two Italian officials were waiting for them. The Italians were Captain Roberto de Leonardis, the Naval Attaché and Enrico Rossi, an interpreter. They were ushered to the local hotel, which ironically, was a replica of the Pompeii houses outside of Naples. Each crewmen was "given" at least two Geisha girls who bathed them and washed their dirty garments. While they waited for their clothes, the Italians wore kimonos, which only added to the surrealism they felt in this environment. Dr. Magini and his fellows were obliged to layover for a day, waiting for a Japanese Air Force guide to arrive from Tokyo. The flight paths to and from the home islands changed daily and any aircraft at the wrong location or altitude or on the wrong course ran the risk of being shot out of the sky. While they waited, Japanese ground crews painted the rising sun insignia on the wings and fuselage of their aircraft. They finally took off for Tokyo around 7:00 AM on July 3. The Japanese flight guide, a Captain, accompanied them and instructed them on exactly what course they should take. Their route took them over Peking – Dairen – Seoul – Yonagom - Tokyo; a trip of 2700km. They landed at the Tachikawa air force base near Tokyo at 17.04 hrs on July 1942. After several days between ceremonies and planning of the return flight, the aircraft left Tokyo, still without any load on board, at 05.20 hrs on 16 July 1942, reaching Pao-Tow-Chen at 15.40hrs. There the Japanese provisional markings were removed and the aircraft took off with maximum fuel load (and with some difficulty, due to the short runway...) at 21.45 hrs GMT on 18 July, landing at Odessa at 02.10 hrs GMT on 20 July. At 11.00 hrs on the same day, the S.75 RT took off again, reaching Guidonia at 17.50 hrs. Mussolini himself was waiting for the arrival of the plane. The whole flight, upon repeated requests of the Japanese, had to be kept secret, but the news came out five days later on Italian newspapers and the Japanese immediately decided to stop any further flights on the route originally followed, requesting the study of a more southern route. This delaye d any progress further and the hitherto foreseen flight in August 1942 of the second S.75 RT MM.60543 had to be cancelled. Further flights would have to employed the new Fiat G.12 RT, but the difficulties created by the Japanese concerning the Southern route (From Rome to the Island of Rhodes, then proceeding non-stop over southern Bulgaria, northern Turkey, Caspian Sea, north-eastern Iran, Afghanistan, flying south of the Himalaya Mountains, over the Gulf of Bengal, finally reaching Rangoon) and with securing adequate radio and navigational aids (especially in Rangoon), delayed things until on 17 November 1942 the Italian Government (and the Regia Aeronautica) decided to put an end to the whole project. By: Mitch Williamson 2002 ciao [/FONT]
L'articolo viene da qui http://www.comandosupremo.com/Triumph.html l'avevo trovato cercando notizie sui voli del ju-290 tra Berlino e la Cina, argomento tanto interessante quanto dibattuto...
