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ANCHE LE FORMICHE NEL LORO PICCOLO … SI SVEGLIANO

Discussione in 'Le vostre esperienze: AAR' iniziata da ste_peterpan, 18 Gennaio 2016.

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    ste_peterpan

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    Erano tutti settati a quote a partire dai 10000 ai 18000 piedi. Da quel poco che ho capito,visto che il combat save, forse impietosito, ha deciso di censurare tutti i combattimenti aeronavali, i raid sono arrivati da 20000 ft.
    Quindi la mia CAP non è servita ad una cippa, almeno così l'ha pensata il programma.
    Forse avrei dovuto settare in CAP 2 o 3 squadriglie di hellcat a 30 o 35k ... da ora in poi lo farò.


    Vero, ma c'erano parecchi hellcat, quindi anche quelli sono rottami volanti?
     
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    Ci ho messo una vita a settare una ad una le squadriglie di caccia in CAP. E francamente questa volta non credo di aver fatto errori così grossi.
    Poi ... dico ...
    A6M5 Zero x 27
    B6N2 Jill x 86
    Allied aircraft
    FM-2 Wildcat x 262
    F6F-3 Hellcat x 27
    F6F-5 Hellcat x 145

    A qualsiasi quota e anche fossero stati armati di fionde, i miei avrebbero dovuto fare polpette di quei 27 caccia, per non parlare dei Jill.
     
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    27 settembre 1944

    Dettagli sulla disastrosa battaglia combattuta a NO di Iwo Jima.

    L'azione nel suo complesso era pensata per affondare un colpo sulle linee di trasporto di materie prime giapponesi nel tratto di oceano a S del territorio metropolitano nemico.

    Sette TF di CVE con 6 CVE ciascuna (tutte in rigoroso "follow" di una capofila, l'unica in react 6) avrebbero dovuto incrociare fino a 120 miglia a SO di Iwo Jima per attirare la reazione giapponese in quella direzione, mentre il grosso delle portaerei di squadra, organizzate in tre gruppi da combattimento con 5 CV e 3 CVL ciascuno, avrebbero dovuto puntare più a Ovest, e più in profondità, verso Okinawa e lì cercare di affondare più trasorti possibile.
    Il contatto con le portaerei giapponesi non era interdetto: tutte e due le flotte erano in follow/react0 su una TF con react 6.
    La navigazione seguiva due rotte parallele, anche se le CVE erano in anticipo sulle CV.

    Probabilmente, ma qui si entra nel campo delle ipotesi, guardando il campo a fatti avvenuti, le CVE sono venute a contatto con le portaerei avversarie e qualche cosa non ha funzionato con il follow durante il react:
    09_27IwoJima.jpg
    nel quadrato giallo la TF capofila con tutti gli altri in follow, in quello rosso i resti di una tf che ha reagito di un esagono in più, trovandosi in balia degli attacchi aerei giapponesi; colmo di sfortuna vuole che probabilmente che la maggior parte dei caccia di quella TF fosse destinato alle scorte dei bombardieri.

    Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Daito Shoto at 104,71
    Weather in hex: Light rain
    Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 18 minutes
    Japanese aircraft
    A6M5 Zero x 52
    D4Y2 Judy x 51
    Allied aircraft
    FM-2 Wildcat x 18
    Japanese aircraft losses
    A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
    D4Y2 Judy: 7 damaged
    D4Y2 Judy: 2 destroyed by flak
    Allied aircraft losses
    FM-2 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
    Allied Ships
    CVE Munda, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
    CVE Hollandia, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
    CVE Salamaua, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
    CVE Bougainville, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
    CVE Makin Island, Bomb hits 1, on fire
    DD Wadleigh
    CVE Roi, Bomb hits 2
    CL Houston II
    Aircraft Attacking:
    7 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 1000'
    Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
    9 x A6M5 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
    10 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 1000'
    Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
    11 x A6M5 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
    12 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 2000'
    Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
    23 x A6M5 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
    5 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 2000'
    Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
    3 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 3000'
    Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
    6 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 1000'
    Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
    4 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 3000'
    Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
    4 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 3000'
    Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
    CAP engaged:
    VC(F)-87 with FM-2 Wildcat (4 airborne, 8 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) intercepting now.
    Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 19000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
    Ammo storage explosion on CVE Munda
    Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Munda
    Fuel storage explosion on CVE Bougainville
    Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Bougainville
    Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Salamaua
    Ammo storage explosion on CVE Salamaua
    Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Hollandia
    Ammo storage explosion on CVE Hollandia
    ________________________________________________

    Due ondate di aerei giapponesi arriva anche sopra il gruppo di TF, trovando una CAP numerosa, ma poco attenta (diciamo così)


    Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Iwo-jima at 105,72
    Weather in hex: Light rain
    Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 40 minutes
    Japanese aircraft
    A6M5 Zero x 27
    B6N2 Jill x 86
    Allied aircraft
    FM-2 Wildcat x 262
    F6F-3 Hellcat x 27
    F6F-5 Hellcat x 145
    Japanese aircraft losses
    A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
    B6N2 Jill: 30 destroyed, 8 damaged
    B6N2 Jill: 2 destroyed by flak
    Allied aircraft losses
    FM-2 Wildcat: 4 destroyed
    F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
    Allied Ships
    CVE Natoma Bay, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
    CVE Kalinin Bay, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
    CVE Admiralty Island, Torpedo hits 1
    CVE Manila Bay, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
    CVE Liscome Bay
    CVE Shamrock Bay
    CVE Sargent Bay
    Aircraft Attacking:
    1 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
    7 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
    5 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
    7 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
    6 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
    CAP engaged:
    VF-38/B with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 4 scrambling)
    2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 16000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
    8 planes vectored on to bombers
    VF-40/A with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 4 scrambling)
    2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 13000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
    2 planes vectored on to bombers
    VF-50 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 11 on standby, 8 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) intercepting now.
    1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 22000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
    6 planes vectored on to bombers
    VF-26 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 7 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 17000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes
    13 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-33 with FM-2 Wildcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 16000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
    10 planes vectored on to bombers
    VF-37 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 7 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 18000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 46 minutes
    8 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-41 with FM-2 Wildcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 22000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
    12 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-66 with FM-2 Wildcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 13000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 13000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
    8 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-76 with FM-2 Wildcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 20000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 45 minutes
    14 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-78 with FM-2 Wildcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 14000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes
    4 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-83 with FM-2 Wildcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 17000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
    12 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-85 with FM-2 Wildcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 16000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
    4 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-90 with FM-2 Wildcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 20000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
    10 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-94 with FM-2 Wildcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 18000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 47 minutes
    10 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-97 with FM-2 Wildcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 17000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
    10 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-3 with FM-2 Wildcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 18000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
    4 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-4 with FM-2 Wildcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 13000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 20000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
    12 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-7 with FM-2 Wildcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 12000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
    14 planes vectored on to bombers
    VRF-3F with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 12 on standby, 10 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) intercepting now.
    2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 16000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
    8 planes vectored on to bombers
    VRF-6F with FM-2 Wildcat (4 airborne, 12 on standby, 10 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) intercepting now.
    2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 19000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 45 minutes
    20 planes vectored on to bombers
    Ammo storage explosion on CVE Manila Bay
    _________________________________________________

    Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Iwo-jima at 105,72
    Weather in hex: Light rain
    Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 35 minutes
    Japanese aircraft
    A6M8 Zero x 76
    B6N2a Jill x 52
    D4Y3 Judy x 48
    Allied aircraft
    FM-2 Wildcat x 253
    F6F-3 Hellcat x 24
    F6F-5 Hellcat x 142
    Japanese aircraft losses
    A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
    B6N2a Jill: 21 destroyed, 2 damaged
    D4Y3 Judy: 12 destroyed, 5 damaged
    D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak
    Allied aircraft losses
    FM-2 Wildcat: 4 destroyed
    F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
    Allied Ships
    CVE Shamrock Bay
    CVE Sargent Bay, Torpedo hits 1
    CVE Admiralty Island
    CVE Lunga Point
    CVE Ranee
    Aircraft Attacking:
    4 x B6N2a Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
    5 x B6N2a Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
    3 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000' *
    Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
    2 x B6N2a Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
    2 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 3000' *
    Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
    CAP engaged:
    VF-38/B with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 4 scrambling)
    8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 16000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
    9 planes vectored on to bombers
    VF-40/A with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 4 scrambling)
    2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 17000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
    8 planes vectored on to bombers
    VF-50 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    16 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 21000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
    15 planes vectored on to bombers
    VF-26 with F6F-5 Hellcat (8 airborne, 5 on standby, 3 scrambling)
    8 plane(s) intercepting now.
    5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 17000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
    8 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-33 with FM-2 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 4 scrambling)
    11 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 14000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
    2 planes vectored on to bombers
    VF-37 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 6 on standby, 7 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) intercepting now.
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 19000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
    7 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-41 with FM-2 Wildcat (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) intercepting now.
    12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 16000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
    4 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-66 with FM-2 Wildcat (8 airborne, 4 on standby, 2 scrambling)
    8 plane(s) intercepting now.
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 13000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 16000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
    2 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-76 with FM-2 Wildcat (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) intercepting now.
    14 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 12000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes
    10 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-78 with FM-2 Wildcat (4 airborne, 4 on standby, 2 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) intercepting now.
    6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 20000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
    6 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-83 with FM-2 Wildcat (8 airborne, 4 on standby, 2 scrambling)
    8 plane(s) intercepting now.
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 18000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
    8 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-85 with FM-2 Wildcat (4 airborne, 4 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) intercepting now.
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 21000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
    6 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-90 with FM-2 Wildcat (2 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    2 plane(s) intercepting now.
    8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 21000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
    2 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-94 with FM-2 Wildcat (6 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    6 plane(s) intercepting now.
    8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 16000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
    VC(F)-97 with FM-2 Wildcat (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 4 scrambling)
    8 plane(s) intercepting now.
    1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 14000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 46 minutes
    4 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-3 with FM-2 Wildcat (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 19000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
    4 planes vectored on to bombers
    VC(F)-4 with FM-2 Wildcat (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    8 plane(s) intercepting now.
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 13000 , scrambling fighters to 16000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 47 minutes
    VC(F)-7 with FM-2 Wildcat (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 4 scrambling)
    6 plane(s) intercepting now.
    8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 17000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 45 minutes
    8 planes vectored on to bombers
    VRF-3F with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 8 on standby, 6 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) intercepting now.
    10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 20000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes
    10 planes vectored on to bombers
    VRF-6F with FM-2 Wildcat (20 airborne, 4 on standby, 2 scrambling)
    20 plane(s) intercepting now.
    2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 19000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
    8 planes vectored on to bombers

    Entrambi gli attacchi (notare i rapporti di forze in campo), nonostante il cielo sia oscurato dai caccia statunitensi, mettono a segno dei bei colpi.
    C'é ancora un'ondata di apparecchi giapponesi che infierisce sulla sfortunata TF in 104,71:

    Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Daito Shoto at 104,71
    Weather in hex: Light rain
    Raid detected at 92 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 30 minutes
    Japanese aircraft
    D4Y3 Judy x 32
    Japanese aircraft losses
    D4Y3 Judy: 13 damaged
    Allied Ships
    CVE Makin Island, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
    CVE Salamaua, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
    CVE Roi, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
    CVE Munda, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
    DD Wadsworth
    CL Houston II
    DD Twiggs
    Aircraft Attacking:
    8 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 3000'
    Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
    7 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 3000'
    Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb
    8 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000'
    Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb
    1 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000'
    Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb
    8 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000'
    Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
    Carrier support unable to supply air cover..
    Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Makin Island
    Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Salamaua
    Ammo storage explosion on CVE Salamaua
    Ammo storage explosion on CVE Roi
    Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Roi
    Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Munda


    E adesso la pochezza degli attacchi americani:

    Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Daito Shoto at 101,67
    Weather in hex: Overcast
    Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 35 minutes
    Japanese aircraft
    A6M5 Zero x 80
    Allied aircraft
    FM-2 Wildcat x 36
    F6F-5 Hellcat x 66
    TBM-1C Avenger x 57
    (qui il rapporto di forze tra caccia è di 1-1, non 1-5, come a parti inverse nei raid precedenti)

    Japanese aircraft losses
    A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
    Allied aircraft losses
    FM-2 Wildcat: 3 destroyed
    F6F-5 Hellcat: 3 destroyed
    TBM-1C Avenger: 10 destroyed, 8 damaged
    TBM-1C Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak
    Japanese Ships
    CV Junyo
    CVL Ryujo
    CVE Hosho
    CVL Zuiho
    Aircraft Attacking:
    7 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    3 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    5 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    3 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    1 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    2 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    1 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    (Dei 21 siluri sganciati, nemmeno uno ha colpito il segno, in un precedente scontro i giapponesi hanno sganciato 26 siluri con 8 centri... e non è un caso, succede sempre. Ora basta commenti, li lascio al lettore)

    CAP engaged:
    Ryujo-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 4 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 21000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
    Junyo-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 4 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 19000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
    Shoho-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 3 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 20000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
    Zuiho-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 4 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 17000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
    Hosho-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 2 scrambling)
    2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 17000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
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    Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Amami Oshima at 101,66
    Weather in hex: Overcast
    Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 36 minutes
    Japanese aircraft
    A6M5 Zero x 54
    Allied aircraft
    FM-2 Wildcat x 55
    TBM-1C Avenger x 21
    No Japanese losses
    Allied aircraft losses
    FM-2 Wildcat: 10 destroyed
    TBM-1C Avenger: 4 destroyed, 5 damaged
    TBM-1C Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak
    Japanese Ships
    CV Soryu
    CV Shokaku
    CV Taiho
    Aircraft Attacking:
    2 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    5 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 15000 feet
    Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
    7 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 15000 feet
    Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
    CAP engaged:
    Zuikaku-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 15 on standby, 5 scrambling)
    7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 19000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
    4 planes vectored on to bombers
    Taiho-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 15 on standby, 5 scrambling)
    7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 20000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
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    Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Amami Oshima at 101,66
    Weather in hex: Overcast
    Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 34 minutes
    Japanese aircraft
    A6M5 Zero x 39
    Allied aircraft
    TBM-1C Avenger x 21
    No Japanese losses
    Allied aircraft losses
    TBM-1C Avenger: 11 destroyed
    TBM-1C Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak
    Japanese Ships
    CV Hiryu
    Aircraft Attacking:
    1 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 15000 feet *
    Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
    CAP engaged:
    Zuikaku-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    16 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 22000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 53 minutes
    Taiho-1 with A6M5 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    1 plane(s) intercepting now.
    15 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 21000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 66 minutes
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    Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Daito Shoto at 101,67
    Weather in hex: Overcast
    Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 36 minutes
    Japanese aircraft
    A6M5 Zero x 50
    Allied aircraft
    FM-2 Wildcat x 36
    F6F-5 Hellcat x 6
    TBM-1C Avenger x 28
    No Japanese losses
    Allied aircraft losses
    FM-2 Wildcat: 3 destroyed
    TBM-1C Avenger: 10 destroyed, 8 damaged
    Japanese Ships
    CVL Shoho
    CV Junyo
    Aircraft Attacking:
    4 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    3 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    1 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    CAP engaged:
    Junyo-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    11 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 21000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
    5 planes vectored on to bombers
    Zuiho-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 22000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
    3 planes vectored on to bombers
    Hosho-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 22000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
    3 planes vectored on to bombers
    Ryujo-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 24000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
    10 planes vectored on to bombers
    Shoho-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 24000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 47 minutes
    8 planes vectored on to bombers
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    Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Daito Shoto at 101,67
    Weather in hex: Overcast
    Raid detected at 68 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 30 minutes
    Japanese aircraft
    A6M5 Zero x 36
    Allied aircraft
    F6F-5 Hellcat x 7
    TBM-1C Avenger x 7
    No Japanese losses
    Allied aircraft losses
    F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
    TBM-1C Avenger: 3 destroyed
    TBM-1C Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak
    Japanese Ships
    CV Junyo
    CAP engaged:
    Zuiho-1 with A6M5 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    1 plane(s) intercepting now.
    9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 25000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
    10 planes vectored on to bombers
    Hosho-1 with A6M5 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    1 plane(s) intercepting now.
    1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 12000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
    2 planes vectored on to bombers
    Ryujo-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 22000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
    8 planes vectored on to bombers
    Junyo-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 24000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
    5 planes vectored on to bombers
    Shoho-1 with A6M5 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    1 plane(s) intercepting now.
    4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 15000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
    6 planes vectored on to bombers
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    Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Amami Oshima at 101,66
    Weather in hex: Overcast
    Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 36 minutes
    Japanese aircraft
    A6M5 Zero x 18
    Allied aircraft
    TBM-1C Avenger x 14
    No Japanese losses
    Allied aircraft losses
    TBM-1C Avenger: 7 destroyed
    TBM-1C Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak
    Japanese Ships
    CV Soryu
    Aircraft Attacking:
    2 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 15000 feet *
    Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
    CAP engaged:
    Zuikaku-1 with A6M5 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    2 plane(s) intercepting now.
    2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 21000.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
    Taiho-1 with A6M5 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    2 plane(s) intercepting now.
    5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 15570.
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
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    Non metto in dubbio la maestria di Cohimbra, che rispetto e ammiro, ma sinceramente mi sembra che tuti gli episodi sfortunati siano stati a danno dell'alleato e qui, chi decide da che parte mira la sfortuna è il sistema.
    Forse qualche cosa nel famoso lancio di dadi dovrebbe cambiare.

     
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    Secondo me non serviva a niente una missione del genere, ormai i giochi sono fatti, il Giappone è tagliato fuori, di certo non lo salva il rivoletto di mercantili che riesce a passare a ovest di Okinawa. Se non cominci a incenerirgli le città lui può andare avanti fino a 1946.
    Decisamente è stata una battaglia di fortuna, ma ci sta, no ? In fondo anche la Morte Nera è esplosa per un colpo di "fortuna".
     
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    Dal resoconto della battaglia risulta che i cieli sopra alle tue TF erano praticamente sgombri da aerei tuoi... Che la gran parte degli aerei della CAP erano sulle CV a fare la pennichella o altrove.
    Quel "0 airborne" che si legge nella maggior parte delle tue squadriglie significa che in cielo non c'era neanche un aereo ad aspettare i giappi.
    E se guardi il tempo che ci hanno messo ad arrivare quelli lanciati su allarme "scrambling" vedi che o hanno avuto pochissimo tempo per intercettare (Hellcat) o addirittura non sono proprio arrivati in tempo (wildcat).

    Lo strike dal momento dell'avvistamento al momento dell'attacco ci ha messo 40 minuti ad arrivare, se ci fossero stati gli aerei in cielo lo avrebbero fatto a pezzi.
    Nell'esempio sotto i wildcat sono arrivati dopo 42 minuti, dopo che il nemico se ne era già andato. Gli Hellcat in 39 minuti (1 solo minuto a disposizione)
    Credo che sia un problema di settaggio delle squadriglie.

    Ecco due esempi di quello che intendo :

    Nei report non vedo le CV, non hanno proprio partecipato; in pratica hanno dovuto fare tutto le CVE che non erano certo pensate per sostenere un combattimento aeronavale, mi sembrano tra l'altro un po' leggerine di scorta (poca AA). Inoltre i 2/3 degli aerei della CAP erano wildcat, a questo punto della guerra obsoleti e troppo lenti per intercettare in tempo i veloci Jill e Judy.

    Riguardo al react e al follow succede sempre qualche casino, i comandanti più aggressivi vanno più avanti e la formazione si disperde.
    Comunque non mi pare nulla di irreparabile, a parte la delusione della batosta (in cui però anche i Jap hanno perso molti aerei mi pare), nei prossimi scontri dovresti mandare avanti le CV (con gli Hellcat) e tenere un paio di hex dietro le CVE. E ricontrolla i settaggi della CAP ;-)
     
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    In effetti è una performance pessima, non giustificabile da nulla se non da uno scarso livello di addestramento, che livello di addestramento in Torpedo Attack hanno i piloti degli Avengers coinvolti?
    finché non hanno 60-70 non sarebbero da mandare in combattimento contro navi da guerra.


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    Come mai hai mandato gli Avengers, degli aerosiluranti, a bombardare da 15.000 piedi? ;-)

    5 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 15000 feet
    Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
    7 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 15000 feet
    Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

    In generale colpisce l'assenza di dive bombers nel gruppo d'attacco USA e la scarsa quantità di aerei d'attacco rispetto ai caccia.
     
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    In generale quel gruppo era fortissimo nei numeri, da quanto ho capito, ma mal coordinato nella sua componente aerea e sicuramente non sufficientemente addestrato per quanto riguarda i piloti dei bombardieri. Non c'erano dive bomber perché sulle CVE non ce ne sono.
    I caccia in Cap non capisco perché non si siano alzati in volo, a questo punto. La Exp andava da 55 in su, con punte di 72/75 e tutte le squadriglie deputate a questo compito erano settate 80%CAP, 20 % rest, per evitare che i piloti accumulassero troppa fatigue. Notare che un buon 75 % delle squadriglia di caccia erano deputati alla CAP, il resto erano impiegati come scorta per i bombardieri. A proposito di avenger che attaccano con bombe e non con siluri, potrebbe essermene scappato qualcuno, perché non posso usare il comando "set all torpedoes in this Hex" in quanto alcune le impiego come ricognitori a lungo raggio (nav search, 6000 ft drop tanks, range 11 80%search, 20% rest.).
    L'errore, a questo punto, mi sa che sia stato ancora mio, nel sopravvalutare la capacità dei gruppi di CVE (ce n'erano 42 in un esagono, per un totale di più di 600 aerei imbarcati) e dando loro la libertà di reagire a cv nemiche. Il loro compito avrebbe dovuto semplicemente essere quello di venire avvistate e invece che avanzare, serrare con le CV che stavano navigando più a SO, a un giorno di distanza. Mannaggia a me. In ogni caso a me di botte di fondoschiena, manco una finora, eh?
     
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    Non credo proprio, la rotta Java Sumatra Singapore Hong Kong Giappone occidentale è ancora spalancata e da lì passano petrolio e un mare di risorse. Il Giappone quindi è tutt'altro che tagliato fuori.
     
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    Le risorse non sono cosi essenziali, e poi cmq basta la manciuria
     
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    Credo che nel gioco le CVE abbiano dei malus rispetto alle CV, a parità di numero e qualità di aerei e equipaggi imbarcati avevo l'impressione che le CVE non rendessero bene come le CV o le CVL
     
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    Quindi c'era una sorta di trappola in cui le CVE erano l'esca se ho capito bene?

    Sicuramente sono state avvistate il turno prima e i Giapponesi le hanno attaccate; forse nel momento in cui era chiaro che erano state avvistate avresti potuto mandare in rinforzo le CV undetected a tutta forza.

    Sarebbe bello capire perché i caccia non erano in volo sopra alle CVE, non è che avevi messo un range >0 alla CAP?
    Magari se hai voglia di postare qualche immagine si riesce a capire.

    Stai usando gli obsoleti wildcat perché sei a corto di Hellcat o perché vuoi giocare storico e non metterli sulle CVE?
    Gli USA li usavano solo in zone pacificate o quasi, contro le CV Giapponesi non credo li avrebbero usati nel 44 potendo avere Hellcat e Corsair.

    Per curiosità che livello di abilità in Torpedo Attack avevano le squadriglie con gli Avenger?
     
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    da quando range 0 , stanno fermi a terra ad aspettare?
     
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    Range zero vuol dire che restano in volo nell'hex della CVE. Si mette range > zero solo alle squadriglie di caccia dedicate a fare escort , non alla CAP.
    Altrimenti la CAP si disperde anche negli altri hex e poi non fa in tempo a tornare quando serve.
    Come discusso più volte assolutamente da evitare la soluzione mista (squadriglie che fanno sia CAP sia escort) pena grossi dispiaceri.
     
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    appunto range 0, stanno in volo sopra la CV, non fermi in pista ad aspettare l'allarme.
    Avevo capito dall'altro post che ti fosse venuto il dubbio che con range 0 rimanessero solo in pista senza nessun velivolo in volo.
     
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    Si, in realtà le cve avrebbero dovuto far puntare la reazione su iwo jima, mentre le cv avrebbero dovuto irrompere nella zona di Okinawa il giorno successivo. Quando le cve sono state avvistate, il 26, erano molto a SO di iwo, quindi ho deciso di lasciarle avanzare ancora un po'. Non potevo immaginare che 500 aerei facessero una così magra figura e ho pensato che anche in caso di contatto avrebbero potuto (almeno la CAP, tutta settata a range 0 e di questo sono più che sicuro) respingere agilmente gli attacchi nemici, anche parecchio superiori in numero, rispetto a quelli che in realtà sono stati.
    Proprio non riesco a capire, a parte la debacle della TF che ha reagito di un esagono in più.
    Stiamo giocando con pdu off, quindi tutte le squadriglie di hellcat che ho sono imbarcate su cv e cvl. Sulla stragrande maggioranza delle cve ci sono wildcats che rimangono tali.
     
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    Con l'affondamento della CVE Sargent Bay al largo di Iwo Jima il 3 ottobre 1944, sale a 9 il numero di CVE affondate nella battaglia di Iwo Jima.
    Quest'ultima portaerei di scorta, già seriamente danneggiata (float 81) stava cercando penosamente di rientrare a Guam, ma un attacco aereo giapponese, probabilmente partito da Iwo, ne pone la pietra tombale.
    Il dettaglio delle perdite nella battaglia:

    BattagliaIwo_Perdite.jpg

    Un riassunto veloce dei fatti salienti nei giorni precedenti il 3 ottobre:

    27 settembre 1944
    Mindanao (Filippine)

    Le truppe del XXIV corpo degli Stati uniti lanciano un primo attacco alla base di Davao dove i giapponesi, numerosi, sono ben fortificati e oppongono accanita resistenza

    Ground combat at Davao (79,91)
    Allied Deliberate attack
    Attacking force 20615 troops, 277 guns, 489 vehicles, Assault Value = 858
    Defending force 19630 troops, 224 guns, 60 vehicles, Assault Value = 448
    Allied adjusted assault: 1391
    Japanese adjusted defense: 4045
    Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 6)
    Combat modifiers
    Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
    Attacker:
    Japanese ground losses:
    1484 casualties reported
    Squads: 2 destroyed, 64 disabled
    Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 67 disabled
    Engineers: 3 destroyed, 39 disabled
    Guns lost 31 (21 destroyed, 10 disabled)
    Allied ground losses:
    378 casualties reported
    Squads: 12 destroyed, 36 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
    Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)
    Vehicles lost 19 (4 destroyed, 15 disabled)
    Assaulting units:
    711th Tank Battalion
    6th Ranger Battalion
    1st Filipino Inf Regiment
    I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
    7th Infantry Division
    XXIV US Corps
    Defending units:
    10th Division
    8th Fleet
    2nd Base Force
    5th RF Gun Battalion
    131st Naval Construction Battalion
    38th JNAF AF Unit

    67th JNAF AF Unit

    Vi è da dire che i rifornimenti, che sbarcano e partono per Davao da Cotabato, arrivano con il contagocce, pur essendo la strada di collegamento tra le due città una major road e pur essendoci nell'esa attaccato il comando del XXIV corpo.
    Davao1st.jpg (Questo snap è preso il giorno 3 ottobre, per questo Malaybay a N di Davao risulta essere in mano alleata)

    Birmania Meridionale
    Le truppe inglesi investono Tavoy, ma l'attacco viene respinto. In ogni caso gli esiti dello scontro lasciano sperare in una conquista abbastanza veloce di questa città portuale

    Ground combat at Tavoy (54,60)
    Allied Deliberate attack
    Attacking force 8928 troops, 88 guns, 408 vehicles, Assault Value = 465
    Defending force 4326 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 112
    Allied adjusted assault: 296
    Japanese adjusted defense: 130
    Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 2)
    Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 1
    Combat modifiers
    Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
    Attacker:
    Japanese ground losses:
    274 casualties reported
    Squads: 2 destroyed, 56 disabled
    Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 11 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
    Guns lost 7 (2 destroyed, 5 disabled)
    Allied ground losses:
    10 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Assaulting units:
    Provisionl Tank Brigade
    3rd Carabiniers Regiment
    1st Patiala Lancers Regiment
    Lushai Brigade
    72nd British Brigade
    Defending units:
    2nd Ind.Infantry Brigade
    54th JAAF AF Bn


    E infatti il giorno successivo capitola:

    Ground combat at Tavoy (54,60)
    Allied Deliberate attack
    Attacking force 8823 troops, 88 guns, 408 vehicles, Assault Value = 447
    Defending force 3742 troops, 25 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 59
    Allied adjusted assault: 311
    Japanese adjusted defense: 43
    Allied assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 1)
    Allied forces CAPTURE Tavoy !!!
    Combat modifiers
    Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
    Attacker:
    Japanese ground losses:
    1641 casualties reported
    Squads: 43 destroyed, 2 disabled
    Non Combat: 42 destroyed, 15 disabled
    Engineers: 25 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Guns lost 12 (10 destroyed, 2 disabled)
    Units retreated 2
    Allied ground losses:
    85 casualties reported
    Squads: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
    Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
    Assaulting units:
    1st Patiala Lancers Regiment
    Lushai Brigade
    Provisionl Tank Brigade
    3rd Carabiniers Regiment
    72nd British Brigade
    Defending units:
    2nd Ind.Infantry Brigade
    54th JAAF AF Bn


    29 settembre 1944
    Mindanao (Filippine)

    Le truppe alleate attaccano Malaybay, a N di Davao, ma la resistenza è tenace, nonostante la disparità di forze

    Ground combat at Malaybalay (80,90)
    Allied Deliberate attack
    Attacking force 22799 troops, 387 guns, 335 vehicles, Assault Value = 887
    Defending force 4254 troops, 51 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 100
    Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2
    Allied adjusted assault: 408
    Japanese adjusted defense: 169
    Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 2)
    Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2
    Combat modifiers
    Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
    Attacker:
    Japanese ground losses:
    387 casualties reported
    Squads: 11 destroyed, 25 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
    Guns lost 9 (2 destroyed, 7 disabled)
    Allied ground losses:
    259 casualties reported
    Squads: 3 destroyed, 39 disabled
    Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
    Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
    Assaulting units:
    96th Infantry Division
    9th Australian Division
    Defending units:
    178th Infantry Regiment
    II./90th Infantry Battalion
    49th JNAF AF Unit
    48th JNAF AF Unit
    37th JNAF AF Unit
    79th JAAF AF Bn


    30 settembre 1944
    Mindanao (Filippine)

    Capitola Malaybay. I giapponesi, che subiscono ingenti perdite, si ritirano a oriente della città

    Ground combat at Malaybalay (80,90)
    Allied Deliberate attack
    Attacking force 22607 troops, 387 guns, 335 vehicles, Assault Value = 858
    Defending force 3954 troops, 49 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 74
    Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1
    Allied adjusted assault: 702
    Japanese adjusted defense: 151
    Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)
    Allied forces CAPTURE Malaybalay !!!
    Combat modifiers
    Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
    Attacker:
    Japanese ground losses:
    1944 casualties reported
    Squads: 54 destroyed, 24 disabled
    Non Combat: 84 destroyed, 11 disabled
    Engineers: 26 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Guns lost 15 (1 destroyed, 14 disabled)
    Units retreated 5
    Allied ground losses:
    303 casualties reported
    Squads: 5 destroyed, 28 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
    Assaulting units:
    96th Infantry Division
    9th Australian Division
    Defending units:
    178th Infantry Regiment
    II./90th Infantry Battalion
    37th JNAF AF Unit
    49th JNAF AF Unit
    48th JNAF AF Unit
    79th JAAF AF Bn


    1 ottobre 1944
    Birmania

    Gli inglesi lanciano un primo attacco contro le truppe giapponesi schierate a ovest di Rahaeng, subendo una cocente sconfitta

    Ground combat at 57,56 (near Rahaeng)
    Allied Deliberate attack
    Attacking force 16038 troops, 341 guns, 441 vehicles, Assault Value = 1072
    Defending force 9796 troops, 91 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 354
    Allied adjusted assault: 368
    Japanese adjusted defense: 1471
    Allied assault odds: 1 to 3
    Combat modifiers
    Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
    Attacker:
    Japanese ground losses:
    337 casualties reported
    Squads: 2 destroyed, 25 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Allied ground losses:
    528 casualties reported
    Squads: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
    Engineers: 2 destroyed, 57 disabled
    Guns lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)
    Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)
    Assaulting units:
    3rd Commando Brigade
    18th British Division
    XXXIII Corps Engineer Battalion
    2nd British Division
    XV Indian Corps
    88th Medium Regiment
    Defending units:
    24th Ind.Mixed Brigade
    29th Ind.Mixed Brigade


    Anche in questa parte del teatro, i rifornimenti che sbarcano copiosi a Rangoon e Moulmein, arrivano al fronte con il contagocce e le offensive ne bruciano un botto e mezzo. Senza considerare il fatto che nella specifica situazione i miei erano in overstacking.

    3 ottobre 1944
    Costa Birmana

    Gli inglesi che hanno occupato Tavoy si lanciano all'inseguimento dei giapponesi in ritirata, ingaggiandoli in battaglia a N di Mergui. Il nemico arretra lasciando sul campo ingenti perdite

    Ground combat at 53,61 (near Tavoy)
    Allied Deliberate attack
    Attacking force 6373 troops, 88 guns, 43 vehicles, Assault Value = 390
    Defending force 2285 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 29
    Allied adjusted assault: 229
    Japanese adjusted defense: 19
    Allied assault odds: 12 to 1
    Combat modifiers
    Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
    Attacker:
    Japanese ground losses:
    1036 casualties reported
    Squads: 42 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Non Combat: 19 destroyed, 6 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Units retreated 1
    Allied ground losses:
    69 casualties reported
    Squads: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Units pursuing 2
    Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
    Assaulting units:
    Lushai Brigade
    Provisionl Tank Brigade
    3rd Carabiniers Regiment
    72nd British Brigade
    Defending units:
    2nd Ind.Infantry Brigade


    Mar della Cina meridionale

    Finalmente una piccola vittoria delle forze aeronavali statunitensi.
    Le 10 CVE a disposizione del SW Pacifico vengono lanciate in una sortita che entra nel Mar cinese Meridionale, passando a O del Borneo e vi trova in transito due convogli di pertoliere, affondandone almeno 6

    Morning Air attack on TF, near Cam Ranh Bay at 68,75
    Weather in hex: Heavy rain
    Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 9 minutes
    Allied aircraft
    FM-2 Wildcat x 36
    TBM-1C Avenger x 33
    Allied aircraft losses
    TBM-1C Avenger: 2 damaged
    Japanese Ships
    PB Kanko Maru
    TK Kotai Maru
    TK Anjo Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
    TK Kenwa Maru
    TK Tachibana Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
    Aircraft Attacking:
    7 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 15000 feet
    Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
    5 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    7 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 15000 feet
    Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
    7 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    7 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
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    Morning Air attack on TF, near Cam Ranh Bay at 68,75
    Weather in hex: Heavy rain
    Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
    Allied aircraft
    TBM-1C Avenger x 7
    No Allied losses
    Japanese Ships
    TK Kenwa Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
    TK Arita Maru, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
    Aircraft Attacking:
    7 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    ---------------------------------------------

    Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Cam Ranh Bay at 68,75
    Weather in hex: Overcast
    Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 9 minutes
    Allied aircraft
    FM-2 Wildcat x 36
    TBM-1C Avenger x 47
    Allied aircraft losses
    TBM-1C Avenger: 2 damaged
    Japanese Ships
    PB Tokihime Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
    PB Kanko Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
    PB Nishho Maru, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
    TK Kotai Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
    TK Jinei Maru, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
    TK Okigawa Maru, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
    TK Ayayuki Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
    TK Munakata Maru, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
    TK Takekun Maru, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
    Aircraft Attacking:
    7 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 15000 feet
    Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
    5 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    7 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 15000 feet
    Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
    7 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    7 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    7 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 15000 feet
    Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
    7 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
    Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
    Heavy smoke from fires obscuring PB Nishho Maru
    Massive explosion on TK Takekun Maru
     
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    Pacifico Centrale

    Forager T, ovvero la parte di operazione che ha come obiettivo la terza isola per importanza dell'arcipelago delle Marianne, Tinian, è ormai in pieno svolgimento. Da giorni le corazzate spazzano l'isola, seguite dai bombardieri che hanno base a Guam, Saipan e anche Truk.

    Il piano prevede lo sbarco di due brigate neozelandesi e della 77^ divisione di fanteria USA.

    A Truk, intanto, sono rientrate tutte le portaerei CV, CVL e CVE (tre di queste ultime saranno in riparazione per un bel po' di tempo), per il necessario refit.
    Si sta inoltre procedendo ad un riassegnamento generale dei piloti della marina, con il criterio di mandare i migliori su CV e CVL. Tutti i piloti dei bombardieri (DB e TB) sia imbarcati che a terra, sono messi in training intensivo (80% nav attack, 20% rest, range 1, alt 15K ft), per evitare le figuracce rimediate nella battaglia di Iwo.

    L'operazione Iceberg incombe e tutte le unità dovranno essere pronte per dare il meglio nella battaglia decisiva.
     
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    12 ottobre 1944

    E' giunto il giorno dell'invasione di Tinian (operazione "ForagerT"), ultimo obiettivo alleato delle isole Marianne.
    In mattinata e con il sole alle spalle le truppe della 77^ div USA - MGEN Franke - delle brigate 2^ e 14^ sotto il comando della 3^ divisione neozelandese, sbarcano sulle spiagge designate dell'isola, coordinati dal comando della V forza anfibia statunitense dell'ammiraglio K. Turner.
    La TF anfibia, la cui nave ammiraglia è la vecchia corazzata Idaho, sotto il comando generale dell'ammiraglio W. Brown, è composta da moltissime navi da supporto (DD, DE, SC, AM, DMS) e i trasporti sono quasi tutti AK (solo 2 APA), per risparmiare APA e AKA in vista dello sbarco a Okinawa.
    Nonostante l'isola sia da molto tempo sotto costante bombardamento aereo e riceva visite dal gruppo navale da bombardamento formato dalle 8 corazzate di nuova generazione presenti nel teatro, la resistenza giapponese è accanita e anche su questo pezzo di terra in mezzo al pacifico si dovranno sudare le proverbiali sette camicie per strapparlo ai difensori.

    Pre-Invasion action off Tinian (108,94) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
    Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force
    267 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
    Allied Ships
    BB Idaho
    CA Chicago II, Shell hits 1
    CL Houston II
    DD Preston
    DD Gatling
    DD Charles Ausburne
    xAK Santa Teresa
    SC PC-1083
    SC PC-1082
    SC PC-798
    SC PC-795
    SC PC-794
    SC PC-793
    SC PC-791
    SC PC-784
    APA Elmore
    DD Jarvis II
    Japanese ground losses:
    10 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Allied ground losses:
    103 casualties reported
    Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    BB Idaho firing at Combined 8th SNLF
    Combined 8th SNLF firing at BB Idaho
    Combined 8th SNLF firing at CA Chicago II
    CA Chicago II firing at Combined 8th SNLF
    CL Houston II firing at 21st Division
    DD Preston firing at Combined 8th SNLF
    Combined 8th SNLF firing at DD Preston
    DD Gatling firing at Combined 8th SNLF
    Combined 8th SNLF firing at DD Gatling
    Combined 8th SNLF firing at DD Charles Ausburne
    DD Charles Ausburne firing at Combined 8th SNLF
    14cm 3YT CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Santa Teresa at 20,000 yards
    SC PC-1083 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-1082 fired at enemy guns
    SC PC-798 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-795 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-794 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-793 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-791 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-784 fired at enemy troops
    Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
    Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards
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    Amphibious Assault at Tinian (108,94)
    TF 365 troops unloading over beach at Tinian, 108,94
    Allied ground losses:
    225 casualties reported
    Squads: 5 destroyed, 44 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Guns lost 14 (1 destroyed, 13 disabled)
    11 troops of a NZ Inf Section 43 lost in surf during unload of 14th NZ Bde
    12 troops of a Vickers Section 43 lost in surf during unload of 14th NZ Bde /7
    105mm M2 Howitzer lost in surf during unload of 77th Infantry Div /8
    13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad accidentally lost during unload of 77th Infantry Div /16
    13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad lost overboard during unload of 77th Infantry Div /19
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    Invasion Support action off Tinian (108,94) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
    Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force
    247 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
    Allied Ships
    BB Idaho, Shell hits 2
    CA Chicago II
    CL Houston II
    DD Jarvis II
    DD Irwin
    DD Gatling
    DD Charles Ausburne
    xAK Steel Exporter
    xAK Alabaman, Shell hits 1
    SC PC-1083
    SC PC-1082
    SC PC-798
    SC PC-795
    SC PC-794
    SC PC-793
    SC PC-791
    SC PC-784
    APA Elmore
    DD Preston
    Allied ground losses:
    97 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 38 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
    BB Idaho firing at Combined 8th SNLF
    Combined 8th SNLF firing at BB Idaho
    CA Chicago II firing at 21st Division
    CL Houston II firing at Combined 8th SNLF
    DD Irwin firing at 21st Division
    CL Houston II firing to suppress enemy battery at 13,000 yards
    BB Idaho firing to suppress enemy battery at 13,000 yards
    14cm 3YT CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Alabaman at 13,000 yards
    BB Idaho firing to suppress enemy battery at 13,000 yards
    12cm 10YT DP Gun Battery engaging xAK Alabaman at 13,000 yards
    BB Idaho firing to suppress enemy battery at 13,000 yards
    SC PC-1083 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-1082 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-798 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-795 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-794 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-793 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-791 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-784 fired at enemy troops
    DD Jarvis II fired at enemy troops
    DD Irwin fired at enemy guns
    DD Gatling fired at enemy troops
    DD Charles Ausburne fired at enemy troops
    Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
    Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards
    ___________________________________________________
    Invasion Support action off Tinian (108,94)
    Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force
    128 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
    Allied Ships
    SC PC-1083
    SC PC-1082
    SC PC-798
    SC PC-795
    SC PC-794
    SC PC-793
    SC PC-791
    SC PC-784
    APA Elmore
    DD Preston
    DD Jarvis II
    Allied ground losses:
    35 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    SC PC-1083 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-1082 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-798 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-795 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-794 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-793 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-791 fired at enemy troops
    SC PC-784 fired at enemy troops
    Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards
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    L'attacco generale verrà lanciato quando le unità saranno completamente sbarcate sull'isola e si saranno raggruppate e riorganizzate.
     
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    In che mese sbarcherai ad Okinawa? quanti esagoni fanno i tuoi P51 messi in missione con serbatoi suplementari ?
     
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    Penso che ancora un mese ci voglia tutto per lo sbarco ad Okinawa. Poi vedrò di capire cosa significhi sbarcare lì a fine novembre. Se da troppi malus probabilmente se ne riparlerà in primavera.

    Ho solo una squadriglia di P51D ed è dislocata in Birmania. Con l'avanzata verso sud sulla costa ho aereoporti abbastanza vicini alle basi nemiche più importanti, quindi non mi serve farli volare coi serbatoi supplementari (e mai più lo farò in missioni di combattimento). Però se ti serve sapere il raggio quando vado a casa ti so dire ....
     

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